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		<title>By: doug</title>
		<link>http://www.all-encompassingly.com/dearelder-com/comment-page-1/#comment-226945</link>
		<dc:creator>doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 04:40:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>gamerjohn,

The issue was never DearElder charging for any service.  David Bateman was free to charge whatever he wanted, whenever he wanted, for any service he wanted.

What was unethical is that DearElder asked for donations with zero disclosure that the web site was actually &lt;em&gt;very profitable&lt;/em&gt;.  As well as the fact that donations helped pay for equipment when the business was starting.

As I noted in an update to the post, back in 2005 David Bateman and I exchanged a few emails.  He actually compared DearElder and the donation requests to McDonald&#039;s and the Ronald McDonald House Charities.  Seriously.  That&#039;s how ethically detached from reality the dude was.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>gamerjohn,</p>
<p>The issue was never DearElder charging for any service.  David Bateman was free to charge whatever he wanted, whenever he wanted, for any service he wanted.</p>
<p>What was unethical is that DearElder asked for donations with zero disclosure that the web site was actually <em>very profitable</em>.  As well as the fact that donations helped pay for equipment when the business was starting.</p>
<p>As I noted in an update to the post, back in 2005 David Bateman and I exchanged a few emails.  He actually compared DearElder and the donation requests to McDonald&#8217;s and the Ronald McDonald House Charities.  Seriously.  That&#8217;s how ethically detached from reality the dude was.</p>
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		<title>By: gamerjohn</title>
		<link>http://www.all-encompassingly.com/dearelder-com/comment-page-1/#comment-226929</link>
		<dc:creator>gamerjohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 00:18:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wah Wah Wah.  Paying a little money for a service?  How capitalistic of them.  Using the money they made for their own purposes?  How private enterprising of them.

Don&#039;t they know that everything is supposed to be free for everyone in Obamaland?  No private effort is needed, this is the internet where just because somebody works hard and provides something valuable that I would want to pay for, why should I?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wah Wah Wah.  Paying a little money for a service?  How capitalistic of them.  Using the money they made for their own purposes?  How private enterprising of them.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t they know that everything is supposed to be free for everyone in Obamaland?  No private effort is needed, this is the internet where just because somebody works hard and provides something valuable that I would want to pay for, why should I?</p>
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		<title>By: Margaret Stevens</title>
		<link>http://www.all-encompassingly.com/dearelder-com/comment-page-1/#comment-216694</link>
		<dc:creator>Margaret Stevens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 18:18:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have used Dear Elder for 4 missionaries. I feel it is a great service.  I can get relatives to all write to my missionary, because it is so easy to go online and not address an envelope and mail the letter.  Most missionaries are not allowed to use email for anyone but family. They also don&#039;t have a lot of time on Pday to spend at the computer. With Dear Elder, they can read the letters at other times. I have donated because I am grateful for the service.  I don&#039;t care where the money goes.  My missionary is getting more mail because of this company.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have used Dear Elder for 4 missionaries. I feel it is a great service.  I can get relatives to all write to my missionary, because it is so easy to go online and not address an envelope and mail the letter.  Most missionaries are not allowed to use email for anyone but family. They also don&#8217;t have a lot of time on Pday to spend at the computer. With Dear Elder, they can read the letters at other times. I have donated because I am grateful for the service.  I don&#8217;t care where the money goes.  My missionary is getting more mail because of this company.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
		<link>http://www.all-encompassingly.com/dearelder-com/comment-page-1/#comment-208040</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 17:09:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doug was right about this site from the beginning.

Just an ethically impaired entity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug was right about this site from the beginning.</p>
<p>Just an ethically impaired entity.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.all-encompassingly.com/dearelder-com/comment-page-1/#comment-207641</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 22:43:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am with Doug.  This is shady stuff.  I have sent them e-mail asking why they still ask for donations even though it is clear that they are a very profitable business and they refuse to answer me.  One other significant dishonest thing is that they have large advertisement banners on the bottom of the actual letter the missionary read for LDSsummerjobs.com.  A very distracting advertisement for missionaries.  I believe that if most parents knew their missionary son/daugheter was being advertised to directly with something like this they would not appreciate it or approve.  Yet there is no attempt on dearelder.com&#039;s part to disclose that this will happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am with Doug.  This is shady stuff.  I have sent them e-mail asking why they still ask for donations even though it is clear that they are a very profitable business and they refuse to answer me.  One other significant dishonest thing is that they have large advertisement banners on the bottom of the actual letter the missionary read for LDSsummerjobs.com.  A very distracting advertisement for missionaries.  I believe that if most parents knew their missionary son/daugheter was being advertised to directly with something like this they would not appreciate it or approve.  Yet there is no attempt on dearelder.com&#8217;s part to disclose that this will happen.</p>
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		<title>By: doug</title>
		<link>http://www.all-encompassingly.com/dearelder-com/comment-page-1/#comment-91714</link>
		<dc:creator>doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 20:17:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Sounds like a bit (or alot) of jealousy at play here.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Not at all.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Iâ€™ve used and love the service, and cannot perceive any hint of dishonesty on the part of dearelder.com.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Me too.  In fact, I donated at least once to the service back when I was using it to write to siblings in the mission field.

My only point was that the line they drew, or didn&#039;t draw, between &quot;charity&quot; and business was &lt;em&gt;way&lt;/em&gt; too blurry.

I haven&#039;t visited the site in ages, but you used to be able to read quotes from folks who donated and you would see things like, &quot;So glad I could help the cause!&quot;  Heh.  They didn&#039;t realize that there was a business behind this &quot;cause&quot;.

To me that is fundamentally different, for example, than McDonald&#039;s having coin collection bins for the Ronald McDonald House. There is a clear separation between business and non-profit in McDonald&#039;s case.

&lt;blockquote&gt;As we approach the top of the prosperity cycle, increasingly weâ€™ll see those who rather than being productive themselves attempt to tear down those who are indeed being productive.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I certainly wouldn&#039;t categorize myself as &quot;unproductive&quot; (how or why you would is, well, kind of odd).

But you&#039;re absolutely right in general terms.  The trend to punish the productive elements in the economy is especially obvious in the rhetoric of some presidential campaigns (&quot;shared sacrifice, shared prosperity&quot;, etc).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Sounds like a bit (or alot) of jealousy at play here.</p></blockquote>
<p>Not at all.</p>
<blockquote><p>Iâ€™ve used and love the service, and cannot perceive any hint of dishonesty on the part of dearelder.com.</p></blockquote>
<p>Me too.  In fact, I donated at least once to the service back when I was using it to write to siblings in the mission field.</p>
<p>My only point was that the line they drew, or didn&#8217;t draw, between &#8220;charity&#8221; and business was <em>way</em> too blurry.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t visited the site in ages, but you used to be able to read quotes from folks who donated and you would see things like, &#8220;So glad I could help the cause!&#8221;  Heh.  They didn&#8217;t realize that there was a business behind this &#8220;cause&#8221;.</p>
<p>To me that is fundamentally different, for example, than McDonald&#8217;s having coin collection bins for the Ronald McDonald House. There is a clear separation between business and non-profit in McDonald&#8217;s case.</p>
<blockquote><p>As we approach the top of the prosperity cycle, increasingly weâ€™ll see those who rather than being productive themselves attempt to tear down those who are indeed being productive.</p></blockquote>
<p>I certainly wouldn&#8217;t categorize myself as &#8220;unproductive&#8221; (how or why you would is, well, kind of odd).</p>
<p>But you&#8217;re absolutely right in general terms.  The trend to punish the productive elements in the economy is especially obvious in the rhetoric of some presidential campaigns (&#8220;shared sacrifice, shared prosperity&#8221;, etc).</p>
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		<title>By: Brett Olaveson</title>
		<link>http://www.all-encompassingly.com/dearelder-com/comment-page-1/#comment-91698</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett Olaveson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 16:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like a bit (or alot) of jealousy at play here. I&#039;ve used and love the service, and cannot perceive any hint of dishonesty on the part of dearelder.com. As we approach the top of the prosperity cycle, increasingly we&#039;ll see those who rather than being productive themselves attempt to tear down those who are indeed being productive. Keep up the good work David Bateman.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like a bit (or alot) of jealousy at play here. I&#8217;ve used and love the service, and cannot perceive any hint of dishonesty on the part of dearelder.com. As we approach the top of the prosperity cycle, increasingly we&#8217;ll see those who rather than being productive themselves attempt to tear down those who are indeed being productive. Keep up the good work David Bateman.</p>
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		<title>By: doug</title>
		<link>http://www.all-encompassingly.com/dearelder-com/comment-page-1/#comment-57089</link>
		<dc:creator>doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jul 2007 01:27:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Someone who comes up with a great idea like dearelder.com deserves to make a decent living. More power to them.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Agreed, as long as they don&#039;t do it under the auspices that they are some sort of charitable organization...not a profit driven business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Someone who comes up with a great idea like dearelder.com deserves to make a decent living. More power to them.</p></blockquote>
<p>Agreed, as long as they don&#8217;t do it under the auspices that they are some sort of charitable organization&#8230;not a profit driven business.</p>
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		<title>By: James Gaul</title>
		<link>http://www.all-encompassingly.com/dearelder-com/comment-page-1/#comment-57052</link>
		<dc:creator>James Gaul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 19:02:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Crybabies go get a life.  Someone who comes up with a great idea like dearelder.com deserves to make a decent living.  More power to them.

As to the other criticism, families shouldnt be sending bad news out to their missionaries out in the field.   If they need to come home then contact the mission office or stake pres.  Dont burden the missionary with something that they can do little about.   If you need a blessing, go to your hometeacher, not your out of state missionary.

Use your brain!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Crybabies go get a life.  Someone who comes up with a great idea like dearelder.com deserves to make a decent living.  More power to them.</p>
<p>As to the other criticism, families shouldnt be sending bad news out to their missionaries out in the field.   If they need to come home then contact the mission office or stake pres.  Dont burden the missionary with something that they can do little about.   If you need a blessing, go to your hometeacher, not your out of state missionary.</p>
<p>Use your brain!</p>
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		<title>By: melisa</title>
		<link>http://www.all-encompassingly.com/dearelder-com/comment-page-1/#comment-50382</link>
		<dc:creator>melisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 05:47:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hola elder manjares ojala este bien ...y termine su mision con exito</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hola elder manjares ojala este bien &#8230;y termine su mision con exito</p>
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