However, like Doug points out, that is not the case.

However, here are some disingenuous comments in your posting:

1st, the title:

“which brings us to the democrat side: kill all the fetuses you want, just don’t discipline them!”

Nice gotcha, except Travis followed that sentence up with this:

pro-abortion liberals dig deep, find the inner hypocrite, and gallingly criticize people who point out this hilarious inconsistency. at doc’s sunrise rants…

He is referring to the hypocritical liberal argument, which he is about to provide an example for. Geez…

Now, for #2:

“the current democrat position is this: it is okay to kill an unborn child at any time before natural birth for any good reason or no reason at all”

Uh, that is the Democratic position. The last Democratic President vetoed the partial birth abortion ban, which is pretty much as close to natural birth as you can get (yet still legally destroy the baby blob of non-human tissue).

And another one:

“just as with convicted murderers on death row, liberals are much more eager to extend”

Dude, when you spot a conservative Republican wearing Free Mumia apparel, let us know.

And one more (baseless and Coulter-esque):

“my prediction: she’s had multiple abortions, while her only interaction with children has been while watching reruns of full house. “child acting disobedient?” she thinks, “well, just call uncle jesse.”

Yup. You got Travis there.

1st, the title:

“which brings us to the democrat side: kill all the fetuses you want, just don’t discipline them!”

Now, for #2:

“the current democrat position is this: it is okay to kill an unborn child at any time before natural birth for any good reason or no reason at all”

And another one:

“just as with convicted murderers on death row, liberals are much more eager to extend”

And one more (baseless and Coulter-esque):

“my prediction: she’s had multiple abortions, while her only interaction with children has been while watching reruns of full house. “child acting disobedient?” she thinks, “well, just call uncle jesse.”

Also, too bad you didn’t like my posting. I thought the story of the ignorant caveman was pretty good. The guys at my office had a good laugh at your expense.

Hopefully you get the point of this story

actually, i couldn’t bring myself to read all of that crap. let’s just get to your moot point:

I am not going to debate the morality of abortion or of the right to have an abortion. I am specifically bringing into question the fairness of the way you categorize.

fabulous. in the original post i made the categorization as clear as i could, but i guess i need to dumb down my posts so you can understand them. here is step-by-step, “reading comprehension for kids” summary of what i said:

…. a common argument for abortion ….
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…. pro-abortion liberals ….
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i think the only conclusion to draw here is this: liberals are hypocrites if they support this redundant spanking law while continuing to oppose any and every abortion limit ever.

notice several things: (1) i said “a common argument for abortion,” not the only argument for abortion. (2) notice how i said pro-abortion liberals, not all liberals. (3) finally, notice how i used the word “if.” the only liberals i’m criticizing are the ones who “support this redundant spanking law while continuing to oppose any and every abortion limit ever.” you seem to believe that number is small. i believe it is large. that is not the point. my conclusion was a CONDITIONAL STATEMENT. all i did in this post was make an argument for what hypocritical behavior is (in a sense creating a sub-class of people within the larger population of “liberals”), and leave the door open for any willing democrat to walk through it.

Democrats are not categorically bad. Liberalism is not a categorically bad thing. You are just a loud disingenuous voice that really has nothing important to say.

what, exactly is disingenuous in saying:

liberals are hypocrites if they support this redundant spanking law while continuing to oppose any and every abortion limit ever.

please explain. remember, i think very little so i need your help figuring this out.

And the politician in quesiton may have been a state senator, not a representative.

OK, I have you figured out. I have diagnosed your mental ailment. You are a quintessential example of what I will call a “Campist.” You believe the world is divided into two camps. Let’s call these camps Us and Them. Now, you might be relieved to know that many people are Campists. Campism has existed since the first clan of cavemen sitting around their camp fire had to grapple with the knowledge that another group (a DIFFERENT group) was sitting around a different camp fire somewhere else.

One of these groups traditionally ate Mammoth meat every Friday. The other group enjoyed a nice slab of giant prehistoric sloth on the same day. One of the dumber individuals in this clan noticed the difference and commented to his friend “They eat Sloth. They BAD! We should kill Sloth Eaters.” The other members of the clan weren’t convinced that conflict was the best path to take so they marginalized the dumb one. The dumb one couldn’t let this go, so he began to spy on the Sloth Eaters.

One day the Dumber one from group one saw a member of group two. Now, he didn’t realize that the person he was looking at is his counterpart in the other group, the dumb guy from group 2. He didn’t care to know the standing of this individual in his own group. All Dumb man number 1 needed to know is that dumb man number 2 is from “Them.”

So as he observed dumb man number 2, dumb man number 1 witnessed something horrible! Dumb man number 2 has just killed a puppy! A cute little Puppy! Dumb man number 1 ran back to his camp as fast as he can. As soon as he got there he yelled “They’re puppy killers! They’re puppy killers!!! We have to kill them! Or at least malign them and characterize them unfairly!” Everyone else knew that he saw the dumb guy from the other camp doing something stupid, so they just kind of ignored him. The smart ones knew that this wasn’t a representative sample of group B, besides; their own village idiots had a penchant for killing kittens.

Hopefully you get the point of this story, but allow me to connect some of the dots for you. The variable in Campism is what factor determines who is which category. For some people it is merely based on skin color, religion, geography, tribal affiliation, etc. You have drawn your camp along political ideology lines. You use examples of extreme examples (a State Representative from California, come on) to show an apparent hypocrisy in all Democrats. I know Democrats who support the right to obtain an abortion, but who think this idea of banning spankings is ludicrous.

I am not going to debate the morality of abortion or of the right to have an abortion. I am specifically bringing into question the fairness of the way you categorize. Democrats are not categorically bad. Liberalism is not a categorically bad thing. You are just a loud disingenuous voice that really has nothing important to say.

On a more personal note, Travis I am surprised that some can know so much and actually think as [l]ittle as you do.

If you’re going to assign attributes to me, or quote what I “think” link it, not an out of context quote from my coments. Otherwise, you’re just another cave dwelling ignorant liar.

and

I’ll pay any of my readers to find ANY reference to the following, in ANY of my blog entries:

My political affiliation.
Any mention of Texas in a negative way.
The words “cave dweller”.
My dislike of hetero parents, or any discussion of heterosexuality in a negative way.

other than about three sentences, my post (with its sweeping conclusions about liberals) wasn’t about you. it was about the democrat party. (title “democrats: kill all the fetuses you want, just don’t discipline them!”). i didn’t write, “doc: kill all the fetuses you want….”

i found your site while searching for websites mentioning sally lieber and abortion. i quoted you because i found your remarks to be a particularly telling example of the hypocrisy that i was trying to highlight. i didn’t intend for my whole post to be some kind of refutation of your lifestyle, methods of discipline, or lack of love for texans. so i quoted you briefly. and i tried to put your perspective in context with a bit of a caricature of you: texas-hating, christian-despising, enlightened, homosexual.

my first draft read: “who apparently believes all hetero parents….” when it came down to the final cut, the simile (a simple linguistic tool) was less clear. my bad. i also provided a link so people could read your whole post (unlike your reference to the message board comment, devoid of any link).

just so i can clear things up

are any of these people (topics on your blog) from texas:

most people are so stupid, they do need the government to provide them with an outline for living. [link]
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Spanking has become the vanguard of way too many Christians; a trend to be followed, like denim skirts and big Ford vans. [link]
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who is [focus on the] family as an example? Ha, the Christians? Only as far as hoping to make it illegal for someone “like me” to raise children OR marry. I wish just one of those ignorant women would do a bit of research into what a “time out” should be. [link]

continuing with the clearing up:

i wouldn’t have expected these simple techniques to have stumped such an enlightened person. perhaps they just caught you off guard because you weren’t expecting a literate response from one of the primitive monotheists to the south.

I was reading message boards. I never responded to any of them.

i’m sorry if i misinterpreted your morning schedule. i read your posted reactions to several comments; i read about your intention to ban certain IP addresses; i put two and two together (a debate is going on!, i thought), but obviously this conclusion was incorrect. thankfully, you have helped clear it up. you were just reading comments written by ignorant christian women, debating them in your head, then typing your thoughts out into cyberspace. i see.

switching gears, i want to thank you for the link from your site to ours, and for your assessment of my abilities and intelligence. you are certainly not alone in holding this opinion of me.