Comments on: File Under: Cranky Dictadorzuelo http://www.all-encompassingly.com/file-under-cranky-dictadorzuelo/ we still remember mitch hedberg Fri, 12 Mar 2010 18:39:16 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Curtis http://www.all-encompassingly.com/file-under-cranky-dictadorzuelo/comment-page-1/#comment-12852 Curtis Tue, 18 Jul 2006 19:40:16 +0000 http://www.all-encompassingly.com/file-under-cranky-dictadorzuelo/#comment-12852 I appreciate that, but I think we need to look at history and get a clear look at the real situation there now in order to properly weigh who is to blame for what. I appreciate that, but I think we need to look at history and get a clear look at the real situation there now in order to properly weigh who is to blame for what.

]]> By: Ryan http://www.all-encompassingly.com/file-under-cranky-dictadorzuelo/comment-page-1/#comment-12851 Ryan Tue, 18 Jul 2006 19:17:07 +0000 http://www.all-encompassingly.com/file-under-cranky-dictadorzuelo/#comment-12851 My sincere impression is that the reason for the "hellish" treatment of the Palestinians is because of their past conduct. My sincere impression is that the reason for the “hellish” treatment of the Palestinians is because of their past conduct.

]]> By: Curtis http://www.all-encompassingly.com/file-under-cranky-dictadorzuelo/comment-page-1/#comment-12849 Curtis Tue, 18 Jul 2006 19:01:16 +0000 http://www.all-encompassingly.com/file-under-cranky-dictadorzuelo/#comment-12849 It should be noted that not only was the Gaza soldier abductions an action provoked by Israel, but the Hezbollah abductions were also provoked. Apparently Israel has been using live ammunition for training on the Lebanese border and has killed Lebanese sheperds there prior to the abductions. http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=107&ItemID=10589 It should be noted that not only was the Gaza soldier abductions an action provoked by Israel, but the Hezbollah abductions were also provoked. Apparently Israel has been using live ammunition for training on the Lebanese border and has killed Lebanese sheperds there prior to the abductions.

http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=107&ItemID=10589

]]> By: Curtis http://www.all-encompassingly.com/file-under-cranky-dictadorzuelo/comment-page-1/#comment-12847 Curtis Tue, 18 Jul 2006 18:47:36 +0000 http://www.all-encompassingly.com/file-under-cranky-dictadorzuelo/#comment-12847 To Ryan, "Unmerciful terrorist acts," lie in the eye of the beholder. Many on the other side of the border would say that the murders of 700 children in Gaza since the beginning of the intifada is unmerciful terrorism. Just prior to the recent soldier abductions, a 15 year old girl pushed an Israeli soldier and ran when he was doing a "body search" on her at a border check point. She was shot 3 times and when she awoke from her coma was sentenced to a year and a half in jail. Israel has all the power and might in the area. When they use that power and might wrongly is that on the level of evil of a "terrorist" similarly killing civilians? The barbarism demonstrated by Israeli forces warrants retaliation at least in kind. However, Palestinian forces don't have the resources to retaliate in kind and do what they can. That is why Palestinian deaths are 10-1 over Israeli deaths. Clearly you don't see what Hell the Israeli forces put Palestinian people thru that drives them to such desparate measures as suicide bombing. There is no disproportionate amount of evil in Arabs hearts. I'm sure it is even across the board. To Ryan,
“Unmerciful terrorist acts,” lie in the eye of the beholder. Many on the other side of the border would say that the murders of 700 children in Gaza since the beginning of the intifada is unmerciful terrorism. Just prior to the recent soldier abductions, a 15 year old girl pushed an Israeli soldier and ran when he was doing a “body search” on her at a border check point. She was shot 3 times and when she awoke from her coma was sentenced to a year and a half in jail.
Israel has all the power and might in the area. When they use that power and might wrongly is that on the level of evil of a “terrorist” similarly killing civilians?
The barbarism demonstrated by Israeli forces warrants retaliation at least in kind. However, Palestinian forces don’t have the resources to retaliate in kind and do what they can. That is why Palestinian deaths are 10-1 over Israeli deaths.
Clearly you don’t see what Hell the Israeli forces put Palestinian people thru that drives them to such desparate measures as suicide bombing. There is no disproportionate amount of evil in Arabs hearts. I’m sure it is even across the board.

]]> By: Curtis http://www.all-encompassingly.com/file-under-cranky-dictadorzuelo/comment-page-1/#comment-12846 Curtis Tue, 18 Jul 2006 18:38:29 +0000 http://www.all-encompassingly.com/file-under-cranky-dictadorzuelo/#comment-12846 First to Doug, I'm not sure if I'm quite making my point in comparing "terrorists" or Arab lives to Israeli or our own. Here is perhaps a better example in this analysis of the BBC's reporting of an escalation in the fighting, referring to 8 Israeli civilians killed while 130 lebanese civilians did not warrant the same media hype: http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=107&ItemID=10591 First to Doug,
I’m not sure if I’m quite making my point in comparing “terrorists” or Arab lives to Israeli or our own. Here is perhaps a better example in this analysis of the BBC’s reporting of an escalation in the fighting, referring to 8 Israeli civilians killed while 130 lebanese civilians did not warrant the same media hype:

http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=107&ItemID=10591

]]> By: Ryan http://www.all-encompassingly.com/file-under-cranky-dictadorzuelo/comment-page-1/#comment-12842 Ryan Tue, 18 Jul 2006 18:01:25 +0000 http://www.all-encompassingly.com/file-under-cranky-dictadorzuelo/#comment-12842 Its really more about right and wrong than it is about the size of the response. Also, desires for peace I share with you. However, to assume that evil is not alive and well in the hearts of men around the world (surprisingly prevalent among many Arabs) is naive and will result in less peace in the long term. Its really more about right and wrong than it is about the size of the response.

Also, desires for peace I share with you. However, to assume that evil is not alive and well in the hearts of men around the world (surprisingly prevalent among many Arabs) is naive and will result in less peace in the long term.

]]> By: Ryan http://www.all-encompassingly.com/file-under-cranky-dictadorzuelo/comment-page-1/#comment-12841 Ryan Tue, 18 Jul 2006 17:59:02 +0000 http://www.all-encompassingly.com/file-under-cranky-dictadorzuelo/#comment-12841 I'm making an analogy between size (or military strength). The argument of a "proportionate" response has no moral footing. Unmerciful terror acts do not warrant retaliation of "proportionate" impact. They warrant a harsh and punishing response that communicates intolerance for barbaric behavior. If you disagree, I suppose you can fill out some Darwin award applications for the Israelis and see if they'll sign them. I’m making an analogy between size (or military strength). The argument of a “proportionate” response has no moral footing. Unmerciful terror acts do not warrant retaliation of “proportionate” impact. They warrant a harsh and punishing response that communicates intolerance for barbaric behavior. If you disagree, I suppose you can fill out some Darwin award applications for the Israelis and see if they’ll sign them.

]]> By: doug http://www.all-encompassingly.com/file-under-cranky-dictadorzuelo/comment-page-1/#comment-12825 doug Tue, 18 Jul 2006 07:25:08 +0000 http://www.all-encompassingly.com/file-under-cranky-dictadorzuelo/#comment-12825 Bolton is distinguishing, as I did, the willful targetting of civilians from the civilian casualties of war. Lipman is arguing that Israelis value life, they don't send their young sons and daughters to blow themselves up in Palestinian pizza parlors or night clubs. Bolton is distinguishing, as I did, the willful targetting of civilians from the civilian casualties of war.

Lipman is arguing that Israelis value life, they don’t send their young sons and daughters to blow themselves up in Palestinian pizza parlors or night clubs.

]]> By: Curtis http://www.all-encompassingly.com/file-under-cranky-dictadorzuelo/comment-page-1/#comment-12818 Curtis Tue, 18 Jul 2006 04:25:37 +0000 http://www.all-encompassingly.com/file-under-cranky-dictadorzuelo/#comment-12818 Here's another expression of that tendency: Actress and columnist Maureen Lipman on BBC 1's This Week programme of 13 July, said: "Human life is not cheap to the Israelis, and human life on the other side is quite cheap actually..." [<em>Editor: Link removed. Quota of links to graphic photos exceeded.</em>] Here’s another expression of that tendency:

Actress and columnist Maureen Lipman on BBC 1’s This Week programme of 13 July, said: “Human life is not cheap to the Israelis, and human life on the other side is quite cheap actually…”

[Editor: Link removed. Quota of links to graphic photos exceeded.]

]]> By: Curtis http://www.all-encompassingly.com/file-under-cranky-dictadorzuelo/comment-page-1/#comment-12812 Curtis Tue, 18 Jul 2006 04:15:50 +0000 http://www.all-encompassingly.com/file-under-cranky-dictadorzuelo/#comment-12812 In fact here's a good example of that from John Bolton (US Ambassador to the UN) today. "It's simply not the same thing to say that it's the same act to deliberately target innocent civilians, to desire their deaths, to fire rockets and use explosive devices or kidnapping versus the sad and highly unfortunate consequences of self-defense," Bolton noted. In fact here’s a good example of that from John Bolton (US Ambassador to the UN) today.

“It’s simply not the same thing to say that it’s the same act to deliberately target innocent civilians, to desire their deaths, to fire rockets and use explosive devices or kidnapping versus the sad and highly unfortunate consequences of self-defense,” Bolton noted.

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