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Jul 27th 2006

hezbollah and the IDF: compare tactics

18 Responses to “hezbollah and the IDF: compare tactics”

  1. True, true. Now it would be nice if the rest of the world could see the difference. To the terrorists, the ends justify the means.

  2. LucyC

    This is probably the best illustration of the difference between Palestinian and Israeli soldiers that I have seen. Thanks for posting!

  3. LucyC

    Here is an article everyone needs to read:
    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ideas_opinions/story/438291p-369296c.html

  4. Curtis

    I deplore the use of children as human shields. All who do this should be punished according to the gravity of their sin. However, I guess that the Israelis have caught on to this tactic and use it as well.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4825319/

    http://www.btselem.org/english/Human_Shields/20060720_Human_Shields_in_Beit_Hanun.asp

  5. curtis, i’m so proud of you for branching out to more mainstream sources like newsweek. i’m sure that took a lot of soul searching.

    that first story, while apparently an isolated incident, sounds horrible. i wonder why newsweek doesn’t have the picture, though, if “human rights groups” got ahold of it? i would like to see the picture.

    the second story is pretty much bunk.

    one of the soldiers ordered ‘Aza Kafarneh, a 43-year old woman, to accompany him to search each of the floors in the building and to open the doors of each of the rooms. At the end of the search, the soldiers ordered all the occupants, except for three, to leave the building. As they left, there was a heavy exchange of gunfire between IDF soldiers and Palestinians. In her testimony to B’Tselem, ‘Aza Kafarneh related that, in light of the situation, she requested the soldier to let them remain in the building, but the soldiers refused. “We had to lay flat on the ground and crawl to the neighbor’s house…”

    The three who were kept in the building were two of her sons, Hazem, 14, and Qusay, 16, and her nephew, Khaled, 23. The three were taken to the staircase, at the entrance to the third-floor apartment, where the soldiers were located. The three sat there until around 8:00 P.M, about 45 minutes before the soldiers left the building. During this time, soldiers inside and outside the building were engaged in exchanges of gunfire with armed Palestinians. The staircase was not in the direct line of gunfire. Just before the end of the incident, the soldiers ordered the three to go downstairs, in front of them, to the entrance of the building.

    how is that using someone as a human shield? they put the civilians out of the direct line of fire and behind them (see the picture showing their tactics, above). the only human shield they allegedly used was the 43 year-old, who one soldier forced to open some doors inside the building. presumably she lived there and knew the people inside? did they ask her to communicate with the people inside before she opened the doors? was the reason they asked her to open the doors that they thought the people inside each one would open fire, or is that just the author’s assumption? he seems to kind of loosely assume: “apparently out of fear that….”

    the latter doesn’t seem to be an egregious use of human shields. i’d like to know a little more about the first instance, if you can find that information.

  6. Ryan

    Another must read.

    http://townhall.com/columnists/CharlesKrauthammer/2006/07/28/israel:_keep_rolling

  7. Ryan

    Now the soldier represented on the left…is he strictly Palestinian or does he simply represent Israel’s Arab enemies? (article title being Hezbollah…)

  8. LucyC

    I loved that article, Ryan! The Hammer always Rocks! Now about this kid used as a human shield in the Newsweek article. Isn’t Newsweek the same publication that published the Koran-being-flushed-down-the-toilet hoax? How many people got killed because of that story? Now how many innocents will be killed because of this new propoganda?

    Whatever the cost, whatever it takes, Islamofascism must be defeated.

  9. Curtis

    Wow, Lucy,
    Any past mistake and you automatically discount any subsequent reporting that doesn’t fit your view of the world from that source. In that case, you’d better discount the entire western media that reported verbatim faulty government information on WMD’s in Iraq.

  10. Steve

    This cartoon really depicts the ignorance of the right. Of course this is a caricature of the guerilla tactics being waged by the Palistinians. The problem with the right is that they don’t realize is that guerilla warfare is what smart groups do when they are fighting an enemy with using a disproportionate force. It’s common throughout history. If George had done his homework he might have noticed this. Oh I forgot he chickened out of Vietnam. Cheney too. Wolfowitz too. etc., etc. etc.

    To suggest that the Palestinians actually hate their children is ludicrous. The dehumanization of people with cartoons such as this really goes beyond the pale.

  11. guerilla warfare is what smart groups do when they are fighting an enemy with using a disproportionate force.

    some of this intelligent and admirable guerilla fighting is now (allegedly) here in the US: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5226390.stm

  12. Steve

    Well I see what your problem is now. You suffer from that terrible myopia that afflicts so many in the White House. You have never understood the enemby. I thought that was rule number one in warfare. Understand your enemy. Know what his motivations are. Know every last detail about him. That’s what we should have learned in Vietnam. What fighting within civillian populations actually worked effectively form them. No kidding. Did you expect them to line up and march out in their red coats? Unfortunately this administration was playing hooky when the Viet Cong was working their magic. Those that weren’t had the wool pulled over their eyes by Cheney and Co with their slam dunk case.

    As far as the few bad apples who actually do hide behind children, again, to suggest that the Palistinians or Muslims in general do not love their children is beyond ridiculous. You know, they too can make sweeping generalizations (and indeed they do) about us based on the Abu Graibs. The murders and rapes the few soldiers have committed. It’s nice to see you stooping to their level to label everyone based on the actions of a few. Then you whine when they do the same.

  13. You know, they too can make sweeping generalizations (and indeed they do) about us based on the Abu Graibs. The murders and rapes the few soldiers have committed.

    like these few isolated acts terrorists have committed against civilians:

    1993 (Feb.): Bombing of World Trade Center (WTC); 6 killed.

    1996 (June): Truck bombing at Khobar Towers barracks in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia, killed 19 Americans.

    1998 (Aug.): Bombing of U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania; 224 killed, including 12 Americans.

    1999 (Dec.): Plot to bomb millennium celebrations in Seattle foiled when customs agents arrest an Algerian smuggling explosives into the U.S.

    2001 (Sept.): Destruction of WTC; attack on Pentagon. Total dead 2,992.

    2001 (Dec.): Man tried to denote shoe bomb on flight from Paris to Miami.

    2002 (April): Explosion at historic synagogue in Tunisia left 21 dead, including 14 German tourists.

    2002 (May): Car exploded outside hotel in Karachi, Pakistan, killing 14, including 11 French citizens.

    2002 (June): Bomb exploded outside American consulate in Karachi, Pakistan, killing 12.

    2002 (Oct.): Boat crashed into oil tanker off Yemen coast, killing 1.

    2002 (Oct.): Nightclub bombings in Bali, Indonesia, killed 202, mostly Australian citizens.

    2002 (Nov.): Suicide attack on a hotel in Mombasa, Kenya, killed 16.

    2003 (May): Suicide bombers killed 34, including 8 Americans, at housing compounds for Westerners in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia.

    2003 (May): 4 bombs killed 33 people targeting Jewish, Spanish, and Belgian sites in Casablanca, Morocco.

    2003 (Aug.): Suicide car-bomb killed 12, injured 150 at Marriott Hotel in Jakarta, Indonesia.

    2003 (Nov.): Explosions rocked a Riyadh, Saudi Arabia housing compound, killing 17.

    2003 (Nov.): Suicide car-bombers simultaneously attacked 2 synagogues in Istanbul, Turkey, killing 25 and injuring hundreds.

    2003 (Nov.): Truck bombs detonated at London bank and British consulate in Istanbul, Turkey, killing 26.

    2004 (March): 10 bombs on 4 trains exploded almost simultaneously during the morning rush hour in Madrid, Spain, killing 191 and injuring more than 1,400.

    2004 (May): Terrorists attacked Saudi oil company offices in Khobar, Saudi Arabia, killing 22.

    2004 (June): Terrorists kidnapped and executed American Paul Johnson, Jr., in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia.

    2004 (Sept.): Car bomb outside the Australian embassy in Jakarta, Indonesia, killed 9.

    2004 (Dec.): Terrorists entered the U.S. Consulate in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, killing 9 (including 4 attackers).

    2005 (July): Bombs exploded on 3 trains and a bus in London, England, killing 52.

    2005 (Oct.): 22 killed by 3 suicide bombs in Bali, Indonesia.

    2005 (Nov.): 57 killed at 3 American hotels in Amman, Jordan.

    like the (what was it?) seven americans convicted in the abu-graib scandal and the two or three involved in the recent iraq rape-killing, these very, very, very few heinous incidents perpetrated by islamic militants are just giving us a bad impression of al-qaeda. we’re all getting our panties in a bunch about nothing.

  14. Steve

    Try the 40,000 to 100,000 Iraqi civillians killed because of the ignorance and lies of Bushitler. The kill rate of innocent people is worse now than when Sadam was in office.

  15. Curtis

    Torture was endemic in the 82nd Airborne at Abu-Graib. Everyone there participated apparently.

    “Since then, the Army has opened more than 400 inquiries into detainee abuse in Iraq and Afghanistan, and punished 230 enlisted soldiers and officers.”

    Sounds like a bit bigger than what you describe above eh Travis?

    http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/24/politics/24abuse.html?ei=5089&en=5b2cfb87ee611c97&ex=1285214400&pagewanted=print

  16. Curtis

    What is Israel’s condition before the Lord in these days with its onslaught against Lebanon and Gaza (and possibly to include Syria in upcoming days)?

    Here is what Isaiah has to say from Chapter 59:

    1 Behold, the LORD’s hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither his ear heavy, that it cannot hear:

    2 But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.

    3 For your hands are defiled with blood, and your fingers with iniquity; your lips have spoken lies, your tongue hath muttered perverseness.

    4 None calleth for justice, nor any pleadeth for truth: they trust in vanity, and speak lies; they conceive mischief, and bring forth iniquity.

    5 They hatch cockatrice’ eggs, and weave the spider’s web: he that eateth of their eggs dieth, and that which is crushed breaketh out into a viper.

    6 Their webs shall not become garments, neither shall they cover themselves with their works: their works are works of iniquity, and the act of violence is in their hands.

    7 Their feet run to evil, and they make haste to shed innocent blood: their thoughts are thoughts of iniquity; wasting and destruction are in their paths.

    8 The way of peace they know not; and there is no judgment in their goings: they have made them crooked paths: whosoever goeth therein shall not know peace.

    Sound familiar?

  17. Curtis

    By the way, I found an article discussing the Israel Lobby and it’s power.

    http://www.counterpunch.org/hayden07202006.html

  18. […] –Steven Valentine, comment, July 2006 [link] Travis, Travis, Travis….That really is a Coultergeist. This self-righteous tone of yours is really immature (Coulteresque….beyond silly)….You are in no position to make any sort of judgment. The idea of you on a righteous throne is laughable. Again, you need to develop some critical thinking skills. I know that is difficult at BYU where you all get the cookie cutter education but it can be done…. Actually Travis I was admitted to BYU and received a “Y” scholarship. Thank heavens I chose not to get a cookie cutter education; I have critical thinking skills unlike so many I see coming out of that place. Maybe I can loan some to you (or Napolean (sic) Dynamite) Are you saying that your jokes are in poor taste like many of those of Letterman and Leno? I would agree there. Wow, this was an immature post. […]