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Feb 13th 2004

No surprise here…

In case you hadn’t heard: Ryan Anderson, a tank crewman in the National Guard, has been charged for passing military secrets to al-Qa’eda.

White, mid 20’s, from Washington state. Hardly your profile of a terrorist…except for his…ummm…conversion to Islam.

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6 Responses to “No surprise here…”

  1. Curious: are you insinuating that affiliation with the Islamic faith is an indicator of a predilection toward terrorism? Dude! It’s a peace-loving religion! That’s like saying that someone converting to Mormonism is likely to be polygamous. We’re talking about fringe groups here. Anyone who knows ANYTHING about the religion knows that the true practitioners don’t engage in terrorism.

    Maybe I misunderstood your insinuation. I hope so. I would lose so much respect for you if I thought you capable of that kind of disrespect for another religion.

  2. Doug

    “are you insinuating that affiliation with the Islamic faith is an indicator of a predilection toward terrorism?”

    Predilection? No. Prerequisite? Almost always.

    “That’s like saying that someone converting to Mormonism is likely to be polygamous.”

    Hardly. There are not thousands of Mormon clerics who endorse, promote, or otherwise give a “nod and a wink” to polygamy. Not true when it comes to Islam and terrorism.

    Politically correct or not, the fact of the matter is that Islam is going through a MAJOR crisis. When you’ve got millions and millions of believers who dance in the streets to celebrate the slaughter of innocents, you’ve got a problem in my book.

  3. Gee, Doug, I saw millions of Americans thrilled when our forces went into Iraq in an effort that could certainly be characterized as “slaughter of innocents.” Just because our culture doesn’t dance in the streets, don’t assume our zealots (read, Limbaugh) aren’t equally obsene.

    Look, think what you will about the Iraq conflict- the point is that the dancing in the streets wasn’t celebrating slaughter. It was about what they view as a victory over an opressor. It doesn’t matter if you disagree with them. It doesn’t matter if they’re misguided. They are celebrating what they see as a battle victory in a much larger war, and your cute little tacit conclusion that Muslims like it when innocent blood is spilled is an oversimplification bordering on retardation.

    What we’re talking about here is not Islam. What we are talking about here is culture and politics. The dancing in the street: cultural, not religious. The terrorizing of a population: pure politics. If you question that characterization, ask yourself: why would they do that? Why would anybody drive a car filled with explosives into a crowded marketplace? Bloodlust? Don’t kid yourself. They are merely acting as the military wing of a vastly outnumbered rival political structure.

    The trouble is that the culture and the politics of the Middle East are all intertwined with Islam, which opens the door for people who don’t want to be bothered by anything so boring as the complexities of reality to chalk anything they don’t like in the Middle East up to those wacky Muslims. It’s a weak arguement.

    Also, the notion that Middle Easterners (or Muslims) have a monopoly on terror is equally moronic. Or maybe you just haven’t gotten any news about the various South American terrorist groups. Oh, we use different phrasing for them (“guerilla” “insurgents”), but what would we call them if they did the same things they’re doing in Columbia down in Israel or Afghanistan? Prerequisite my ass.

    And another thing: there are plenty of Mormons who give much more than a “nod and a wink” to polygamy. It has only been in the last few years that there has been a single prosecution of ANYONE in a polygamous community. Utah law enforcement officers have always known all about the polygamous communities. They knew they were breaking the law. Why didn’t they put a stop to it? I’ll tell you why- because Utah polititians have, until recently, always kept a lid on it. Hell, they kept the legal marrying age in Utah down to 14!!! Why would they do that? 14 for crying out loud! They were accomodating those child-molesting bastards!

    So yeah, I’d say my analogy was pretty freaking apt!

  4. Doug

    I’ll divide my response in two parts:

    1. The Islam – terror problem.
    2. Your analogy of Mormons and polygamy.

    First, regarding your criticism of my connection of Islam with terrorism.

    I saw millions of Americans thrilled when our forces went into Iraq in an effort that could certainly be characterized as “slaughter of innocents.”

    Do you characterize our invasion of Iraq as such? Who has characterized it as a “slaughter of innocents”? Do you know of any statements by government or military officials that would suggest civilian casualties was even a peripheral goal?

    …the point is that the dancing in the streets wasn’t celebrating slaughter. It was about what they view as a victory over an opressor.

    They can view it as a “battle”, a soap opera, or a video game, none of that changes the fact that it was a slaughter of over three thousand innocent people.

    It doesn’t matter if you disagree with them. It doesn’t matter if they’re misguided.

    But dan, that is the point, IT DOES MATTER that they are misguided.

    your cute little tacit conclusion that Muslims like it when innocent blood is spilled is an oversimplification bordering on retardation.

    Far be it from me to be retarded. Here is what I said “When you’ve got millions and millions of believers who dance in the streets to celebrate the slaughter of innocents, you’ve got a problem in my book.” I know that all Muslims do not feel this way, but MILLIONS AND MILLIONS DO. It is a fact. Neither you, nor I, nor Travis, nor anybody else can change that. Hence my observation: they have a problem.

    Yet according to you, there is no problem, since they are celebrating a victory in a “much larger war” against America and western civilization.

    Yeah….does anyone wonder why Ann Coulter says that liberals aren’t patriotic?

    “Wait wait!!! The highest form of patriotism is self-hatred and bashing one’s own country!!”

    Anyways, on to my second point.

    You are dead wrong about Mormons and polygamy.

    there are plenty of Mormons who give much more than a “nod and a wink” to polygamy.

    Name three prominent Mormon clerics who do. After all, that was my original assertation: “There are not thousands of Mormon clerics who endorse, promote, or otherwise give a ‘nod and a wink’ to polygamy.”

    The argument you make for the lack of criminal prosecution is mute. Polygamy has hardly been prosecuted anywhere in the U.S. in the last century because you have to break up families to do so.

  5. You and Ann Coulter don’t know what real patriotism is about. I refer you here for my answer to that charge.

  6. Doug

    dan,

    A couple quick thoughts while I’m digesting breakfast…

    Your linked post is nice, although it is basically a regurgitation of the predictable “criticize America if you really love her”. (I had already alluded to your inevitable response in my post: “Wait wait!!! The highest form of patriotism is self-hatred and bashing one’s own country!!”)

    But in fairness, let’s rewind for those recently joining us.

    I took issue with the throngs of Muslims around the world who celebrated the slaughter of innocent Americans on 9/11.

    You defended them:
    “…the dancing in the streets wasn’t celebrating slaughter. It was about what they view as a victory over an opressor.”

    You apparently felt that you could jam your heel into the oral cavity as well, so you continued:

    “It doesn’t matter if you disagree with them. It doesn’t matter if they’re misguided. They are celebrating what they see as a battle victory in a much larger war…”

    dan, WAKE UP. That “oppressor” is us. The “larger war” is against our nation, the United States of America.

    In your comments on this thread you were not providing constructive criticism or helpful advice for how America can improve. You were excusing the merriment of our enemies, as they celebrated the massacre of innocent Americans. That is hardly patriotic.