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Sep 26th 2003

the repulsiveness of christianity

why do liberals hate christianity and love islam? damned if i know! but the lovely ann coulter has composed an excellent short-take on the issue. [article]

Before snack time in her kindergarten class in Saratoga Springs, N.Y., little Kayla Broadus held hands with two of her classmates and recited this prayer: “God is good, God is great, thank you, God, for my food.” The alert teacher pounced on Kayla, severely reprimanded her, and reported her to the school administration. In short order, the principal sent a sternly worded letter to Kayla’s parents advising them that Kayla was not allowed to pray in school, aloud or with others.

The school board then issued a triumphant press release crowing about its victory over a kindergartner praying before snack time. Thus was creeping theocracy in Saratoga Springs stopped dead in its tracks! Kayla’s mother brought a lawsuit, winning Kayla the right to pray out loud. But she was still prohibited from holding hands with others while she prayed. Hearing the G-word in kindergarten might interfere with the school’s efforts to teach proper sexual techniques in the first grade.

but seriously, this revulsion to religion in general (but especially christianity) reminds me of the kid who won’t eat his vegetables. just try it, liberals!

teaching people sound, basic truths about how to live (which religion can do) is important to america’s moral and cultural health. without it, americans would turn into the french.

i wrote some things on this topic in 2001. [word document] our nation’s founders envisioned the best america as a moral society, one whose citizens were virtuous. and to them, religion was not important to this end, it was imperative.

washington prayer at valley forge

5 Responses to “the repulsiveness of christianity”

  1. Carina

    I’m a liberal and a Christian, and I’m insulted that you claim that I can’t be one if I am the other. As for loving Islam, I love all my fellow man, as my faith dictates. My poltics are deeply rooted in my faith. I’m proud to be both committed to my faith and to liberal ideals.

  2. carina,

    most of the issues for which we chide liberals should be offensive to you as a christian.

    what is it, exactly, about liberal idealogy that appeals to you?

    (1) do you enjoy the idea of partial birth abortions, where babies’ brains have to be sucked out (and the infanticide basically committed) in order to provide “complete freedom of choice” to the bearer?

    we had the opportunity to choose BEFORE this life. we accepted a plan, and committed to use our agency responsibly to choose GOOD. though “pro-choice” sounds attractive, it is just a catchy-sounding cop-out.

    (2) do you agree with the liberal idea that christianity (or judeo-christianity) has no place in our government?

    the founders clearly intended it to be there, for the moral education of america’s citizens. the democratic party, the ACLU, the communist party, et al shun–nay, attack–this proposition. but they do it to their peril. and yours and mine. one day we are all going to wake up and not be able to leave our houses for fear and we will be wondering where everybody’s morals have gone.

    (3) i am not sure what to do about people who live a homosexual lifestyle, but the church has been pretty consistent in opposing legislation that would legalize marriage between same-sex couples. they believe the family is the central unit of society, and that homosexual unions, which last, on average, one year, are not going to give america the same stability.

    if you support it adamantly there is nothing wrong with that, but it is not the greatest way to be “committed to your faith.” it appears to me you’d have to choose one or the other.

    (4) while, according to the church, you’re certainly free to question the government and political leaders, such as in the case of GWB and the WMD, you are ultimately supposed to support them.

    in each of these four instances, the democratic party has taken an opposing stance to that of the church.

    in others, it may not be at odds with the church, but that is probably because it believes pretty much what the republican party does about the issue in question.

    finally, what would your sister say to all of this? [click] didn’t she spend 18 months (2 of them with me) telling people not to do these things?

  3. Travis,

    You really can hit a softball out of the park! Do you think there will be a rebuttal?

  4. Carina

    There is no need to get polemical or judgemental about my beliefs. If you really want to know, these are a few examples of what I believe:

    A system of medicine where you can get care based on need and not whether or not your job offers you coverage. What good does it do to have the ‘best’ medical care in the world when our citizens don’t have access. We pay more than any other industrialized nation in the world for our health care and there are still little jars at the super market to raise money for children’s kidney transplants.

    I want corporations to be held accountable for the good and the bad that they accomplish.

    I want an environment that no longer has to suffer from contamination due to a lackidasical attitude from our industrial complex–we are stewards of the earth and should behave so.

    And I don’t want the government involved in the way I practice my religion at all. I do not agree, and neither does our church by the way, that we should be sponsering ‘faith-based initiatives.’

    That’s just a small number.

    Happy to be a sane liberal voice on the board Travis!

  5. i would be all for centralized medicine, except, i went to PUBLIC SCHOOL [click]. i saw what can happen when the government is in charge. (i am currently stupid)

    when you talk about corporations being accountable, are you referring to enron and worldcom? if so, are you unhappy with this bill [pdf] passed by the republican controlled congress that

    “requires greater transparency of corporate tax accounting measures, facilitates analysis of financial statements, permits inspection of true corporate tax liability and understanding of the tax strategies undertaken by corporations, discourages abusive tax sheltering activities, and [hopes to] restore investor confidence in publicly traded corporations.”

    i mean, they’re politicians. they can’t do much more than pass stuff into law. george bush tried the wild wild west “dead or alive” bit with osama bin laden, and everybody made fun of him. so, its back to boring old legislation again. poopy!

    i think it’s pretty clear conservatives want to stop corporate crime. what more, pray tell, shall they do?

    the environment in the US is in the best shape since pre-WWII (and there are more trees now, too). both consumers and industry have shaped up, significantly. the US does remain a huge, disproportionate consumer of the world’s resources, but that is hardly the fault of one party alone.

    on the issue of faith-based initiatives, i could agree with you. but that is not the point i was initially arguing.

    my point is: putting a piece of stone in a courthouse that says, “do not kill” is hardly telling someone how to practice his religion. having the phrase, ‘under god’ in the pledge of allegiance is barely noticeable, let alone coercive. there must be a common moral culture in a society, otherwise you get 1984 or cambodia or hollywood.

    i do not understand how someone could live his life by certain eternal moral truths, yet not care whether those concepts are even presented to his fellow citizens.